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Retrorocket59 Replication of the MXLO Magnetic Motor
Posted in Reverse Chronological Sequence 6 Lock-up Points; Fiddling Around
From: "retrorocket59" <brian@ziponline.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: Comments and fiddling around....
same things, trying to feel what's happening and moving the aluminum and alignments to infer some tendency or characteristics that lead to a solution. Tomorrow I will map the stator north and south fields on paper (there is more than one pattern there) and try to test from that stand point. There are really 6 lockup points (potentially) from rotor in dead center. Both poles (2) times three stator faces is 6 points. You can feel them. I have started to look at what two opposing faces/zones I can block with the aluminum to help break the balanced condition. I think one must assume two things; 1. either there is a reason the unit will drive around the circle, like the TOMI motor imbalance having N-S-N-S-N-S in smaller polarity increments on the stator as opposed to the rotors magnetic having a wider one - that sends the rotor around the circle, or possibly 2. there is a created condition of a rotating field created at the center of the stator by combined individual field flows of all stator magnets, and this spinning field possibly captures the rotors magnetic field, causing the rotor to follow and be carried along this spinning central field. I like this theory. If the second case is somewhat true, then a third field condition may then occur due to the reluctance (difference in speed and thus induction) of the stator and rotor fields, an interaction of the rotor/stator fields combined. The result being some third field 'condition' that buckles to the outside of the stator and can then induce current into the coil. As currently I cannot see how to have a significant and measurable current while spinning the rotor by hand without this neutral self-spinning condition. ---RetroRocket59--- Playing with Imbalance -- Nothing Yet
From: "retrorocket59" <brian@ziponline.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: CLUE? look at the MXLO rotor photo: slightly
askew
I have wondered the same. My unit definitely shows magnets not in a Situation of Device in Room
From: "retrorocket59" <brian@ziponline.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:20 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Earth energy
room. However, I am inside a large metal building. I thought about the properties of water going down a drain and questioned whether the Earths magnetic field played a part in assisting the magnetic fields 'rotation', if that is what it is doing. In this case the unit would only work horizontally. If the rotor is stationary and the flux field from the stator/triangle engages it to turn, then it at first seems that the stator field must already have some property of flow or rotation within it? Or it could be an interactive result of the two. Or does the aluminum deflect the field in a way that the 'lock-up' point is overcome at each single rotation? The magnets do have a couple of slope patterns on the template, and the website clearly says "arranging rare earth magnets in a special geometrical spiraling pattern, on dielectric materials". Note - Spiral pattern. This also smacks of the 'neutral magnetic center' that other free energy investigators speak of. What throws me is that MXLO said it might turn either direction, "whichever direction it catches torque". My simple mind thinks a 'motional magnetic field' would have a direction, and under a given geometric configuration, it would have a tendency to induce into the rotor a force in one specific direction. On the trial and error of adjustment, it does seem that a grid would be the route to go. In a day or two, I will have a grid applied. It was mentioned before by someone that we do not know for certain whether the unit works when the aluminum strip is perpendicular to one face of the triangle as show in the photos from above. But since the plans consistently show it in this alignment, I am going that direction first. Will keep posting my observations. ---RetroRocket59--- Unit Build, Ready to Test; Looking for Input on Things to Try
From: "retrorocket59" <brian@ziponline.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Built a new Unit
days to play. I could use some feedback from other builders. Does anyone want to confirm any answers they have had back from MXLO about rotor height/level at the center of the stator being or not being vertically centered on the stators center row of magnets? I note that the rotor sits higher than center based on the lengths of the parts. Is there Any confirmation on whether the center row of magnets on the stator should read N-S or S-N when reading from left to right? - -- I am using the N-S orientation, as if the stator templates were rotated 90 degrees clockwise, as the real stator plates are physically placed on the table. In other words, the right side (when the "Part 1-1-S" reads right) of the template goes DOWN onto the units base. Has anyone else used aluminum as; 1. the flat 1-1/2" wide x 1/16th thick strips sold at the hardware store, or 2. did you cut aluminum siding sheet or flashing sheet? I was curious if anyone had the older plans that previously called out for the copper sheet to wrap around the stator for collecting voltage? I would like to see if they differ from my version in any other areas. Has anyone compared both sets or was the old set ever sent to anyone in the group? Are there any phone conversations with MXLO that have had any relevant information not yet placed on the board? My latest email from MXLO says that Thomas is out/away temporarily and will answer my questions when he returns. For those who asked, I have and will continue to try tilted angles for the stator as well as flat over the rotor. ---RetroRocket59--- Ready to Build to Specs
From: "retrorocket59" <brian@ziponline.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Built a new Unit
days to play. I could use some feedback from other builders. Does anyone want to confirm any answers they have had back from MXLO about rotor height/level at the center of the stator being or not being vertically centered on the stators center row of magnets? I note that the rotor sits higher than center based on the lengths of the parts. Is there Any confirmation on whether the center row of magnets on the stator should read N-S or S-N when reading from left to right? - -- I am using the N-S orientation, as if the stator templates were rotated 90 degrees clockwise, as the real stator plates are physically placed on the table. In otherwords, the right side (when the "Part 1-1-S" reads right) of the template goes DOWN onto the units base. Has anyone else used aluminum as; 1. the flat 1-1/2" wide x 1/16th thick strips sold at the hardware store, or 2. did you cut aluminum siding sheet or flashing sheet? I was curious if anyone had the older plans that previously called out for the copper sheet to wrap around the stator for collecting voltage? I would like to see if they differ from my version in any other areas. Has anyone compared both sets or was the old set ever sent to anyone in the group? Are there any phone conversations with MXLO that have had any relavant information not yet placed on the board? My latest email from MXLO says that Thomas is out/away temporarily and will answer my questions when he returns. For those who asked, I have and will continue to try tilted angles for the stator as well as flat over the rotor. ---RetroRocket59--- Starting a new model; tid-bits from MXLO
From: "retrorocket59" <brian@ziponline.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Starting a new model
adjustable laser-cut version that I will make later. I have stripped what I think are all the 'real' feedback tid-bits from MXLO from my phone call with them, and the 250+ email messages. I find that many things said here have been answered before or are sorted out by tracing thru messages. Some minor points, MXLO got theirs working on the templates they supplied, As far as 'size', I say scale it to exactly 10"x3" inches to the outer black outline on the templates. The size errors are solely due to different printers and conversion of files, I saw this in my two methods of working with the files. The rations of spacings are 'relative', so I trust it. They did say they were given this device in 2002 and that they were not engineers. It was made clear to me that it could take hours to hit the 'sweet spot', which implies the alignment may be within millimeters. So I am going to put marks on the board and stator assembly to aid in adjustments. I also recognize that I might center the one stator plate, on the aluminum strip, based on the magnet locations and not the center of the width of plastic, etc. ---RetroRocket59--- Stabilizing Rotor Shaft; Bismuth musings
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:50 AM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Reply to several posts
[...] About a wobbly rotor shaft, the thicker the shaft the more stable, I am staying with the
5/8" inch diameter. I had to fuss with the 'fit' into the bearing until it was straight. Keeping Track of Details for Later Instructions
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: Aluminum
be, this just shows another area of flexibility with different plans saying different thing, but it still being O.K. I have been saving all the confirmed details (and their variables). Once we have a working unit, I will send MXLO an expanded instruction set with our details added, for their approval and post it here when confirmed. ---RetroRocket59--- Planning to enable X-Y fine-tune Adjusting
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:26 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: REPORT
short feet under the Stator assembly and raising the rotor height with it, so I can get under there and move the aluminum strip and try other metals, read the field directions, etc. I can also make slots on the base assembly so the stator can be moved and controlled in one direction 'guided', I would move the other direction by hand. Again, assuming I can get one working first, I thought it even better to to have plastic screw rods setup in the base which would allow you to precisely move in the X and Y directions with ease and control. You could then 'mark' the sweet spot for much faster tuning on repeated occasions. If this thing works, the frustration of doing it by hand is that you are randomly going back and forth and cannot easily eliminate a micro position you have already tried. --- RetroRocket59 Will be Rebuilding Tuesday or Wednesday
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Yes, aluminum strip is needed just to spin
I should be rebuilding on Tuesday or Wednesday and will attempt to play all day during work at aligning the device. To everyone and MXLO: If I get one working, I will be glad to produce plastic guides cut on a laser-cutter that will easily align the magnets for glueing down. Frankly, if the device works, I am going to cut precise holes in the stators with the laser for every magnet and use plastic screws to hold them in place. --- RetroRocket59 --- Screw Rods to Adjust X-Y Movement of Stator
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:26 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: REPORT
Using Lasers to Cut
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: REPORT
templates so I could do this, and I may attach the magnets using nylon screws and nuts. However I am out of Laser gas, so I cannot cut them until the 10th or 11th. If I can get it working, I am going to cut slots in the stator and rotor templates and vary the locations of the magnets for tests. I can see the possibility of the angle of the stators N-N-N and S-S-S magnets affecting the speed. ---RetroRocket59--- Redoing it w/ 1/4" plastic
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 5:11 AM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Re: RetroRocket59 replication
all my magnet are now popping off, and I cannot work on it for 3 days as well. I will post more details when I have more info. --- RetroRocket59 Built it, doesn't work; phone conversation with Thomas of MXLO
From: "retrorocket59" <retrorocket59@yahoo.com>
To: <pes_mxlo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:35 PM
Subject: [pes_mxlo] Got their call
[See Assembly > Tips > Tips
from Retrorocket59 - Thomas (MXLO) Phone Conversation] See also
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